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Washington Women’s Heritage Project records, 1900-2000 
University of Washington Libraries Special Collections 
Angeline Tobin Frank 
1980  
Cassette 1, Side 2 
 
 
Winona Weber  00:04 
If-- when you were married to-- I forgot his name already again. 
 
Angeline Frank  00:16 
Steve Frederick.  
 
Winona Weber  00:17 
Steve Frederick. You said you lived close to your parents? 
 
Angeline Frank  00:21 
What?  
 
Winona Weber  00:22 
Did you live close to your parents?  
 
Angeline Frank  00:24 
Yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  00:24 
Was Steve a white man or an Indian?  
 
Angeline Frank  00:26 
He was an Indian.  
 
Winona Weber  00:28 
I see. Were there a lot of Indians there at Mud Bay?  
 
Angeline Frank  00:31 
Yeah, there were a lot of Indians, uh-huh.  They own [inaudible] on Oyster Bay.  
 
Winona Weber  00:33 
Uh-huh.  Yeah.  
 
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Angeline Frank  00:38 
And then on Mud Bay, on this side -- they had Oyster Bay, too, but -- the Indians sold it, sold it 
to the white man and then everything's... no more Indians there now. 
 
Winona Weber  00:49 
Everything went. Yeah. You went to-- but you went to school with quite a few white children, 
didn't you? 
 
Angeline Frank  00:57 
Yeah, public school.  
 
Winona Weber  00:58 
Did you get along real well with them?  
 
Angeline Frank  01:00 
Oh, yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  01:03 
How old were you when you started to school? How old were you when you went into the first 
grade?  
 
Angeline Frank  01:09 
Oh, I don't know, now. Don't remember how old I was. Anyhow, we went to grades eight day 
school [inaudible]. Every morning [inaudible].  
 
Winona Weber  01:22 
Yeah. You were-- it was close enough so you could just walk from home-- 
 
Angeline Frank  01:27 
Yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  01:27 
--and come back every night. At least you didn't have to go to boarding school.  
 
Angeline Frank  01:31 
No, we didn't. My youngest brother did, though, Ed.  
 
Winona Weber  01:36 
Uh-huh. 
 
Angeline Frank  01:36 
He went to-- 
 
Winona Weber  01:37 
Where did he go?  
 
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Angeline Frank  01:38 
He went to-- 
 
Winona Weber  01:44 
Did he go to Cushman or one of the-- Chemawa?  
 
Angeline Frank  01:50 
Yeah, Cushman.  
 
Winona Weber  01:51 
Cushman, yeah. My grandmother went to Cushman. 
 
Angeline Frank  01:53 
And then [?another?] went to [inaudible].  
 
Winona Weber  01:57 
Uh-huh. 
 
Angeline Frank  01:57 
That's where my daughter went. Rose. 
 
Winona Weber  02:05 
You said that you only went to the sixth grade. And then were you-- was it more important, 
maybe, for you to stay home and help take care of your sister's babies? 
 
Angeline Frank  02:17 
Better than-- I thought that was better than going to school.  
 
Winona Weber  02:21 
Yeah, I see.  
 
Angeline Frank  02:22 
But, see, now, today, I wish that I went to school. 
 
Winona Weber  02:25 
You would have gone on-- you would have gotten more education. Yeah. Well, you know, I 
went to college for two years. I graduated from high school, and I went on to college. And then I 
dropped out. And about a year and a half ago, I thought, "Gosh, I'm sorry that I haven't finished 
my college. 
 
Angeline Frank  02:42 
Well, that is the truth.  
 
Winona Weber  02:44 
So I went back, and I've got one more year and I'll have a degree.  
 
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Angeline Frank  02:48 
Oh.  
 
Winona Weber  02:48 
I'm pretty glad I did, you know?  
 
Angeline Frank  02:50 
Yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  02:51 
So how did your parents feel about school, about going to school? Did they think that it was 
really important for a kid to do? 
 
Angeline Frank  02:59 
Yeah, they wanted to go to school, but my sister, "Oh, she's having babies right [?after the 
other?]. I better stay and help to take care of the babies, because she's got [?to walk?] 
[inaudible]." 
 
Winona Weber  03:00 
Yeah [laughs], I know it's a lot of work when you got a lot of babies to take care of. 
 
Angeline Frank  03:19 
And then you'd have to carry water.  Up the hill and then to wash. There was no washing 
machine. [Laughs]. 
 
Winona Weber  03:23 
Yeah.  [Inaudible] see something here. See if I can find [inaudible].  
 
Angeline Frank  03:41 
She had an old wringer.  
 
Winona Weber  03:43 
Oh, really?  
 
Angeline Frank  03:44 
Yeah, she had a wringer and like that. 
 
Winona Weber  03:47 
Well, that makes it a lot easier for getting clothes dry and stuff, I know. Was your sister Ida 
younger than you, or was she older? 
 
Angeline Frank  03:57 
Oh, yeah, Ida's younger than all of us. 
 
Winona Weber  03:59 
Oh, I see. How much younger was she than you? 
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Angeline Frank  04:05 
I couldn't tell you now. There was Dewey and Ed between us. 
 
Winona Weber  04:10 
Oh, I see. But she was at least three or four years younger than you? Yeah, that's what I thought. 
When you had your children, did she help you take care of them, like you helped Catherine?  
 
Angeline Frank  04:22 
No. No, she-- no, she'd just go out horseback riding and doing everything. 
 
Winona Weber  04:36 
[Laughs] Gosh. And she was the youngest? 
 
Angeline Frank  04:39 
Yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  04:39 
Well, the youngest of the family seems like they can get away with stuff like that. 
 
Angeline Frank  04:43 
Yeah, that's the way she went. 
 
Winona Weber  04:45 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  04:46 
She had her own way for doing everything.  
 
Winona Weber  04:49 
Yeah. 
 
Angeline Frank  04:50 
But only thing, good thing she didn't have no babies. Can't have any.  
 
Winona Weber  04:56 
Uh-huh.  
 
Angeline Frank  04:56 
She ain't got any now. She never could have been any babies 
 
Winona Weber  05:01 
Oh, gee. It's kind of sad, you know, because babies are nice to have around. I like babies, you 
know?  
 
Angeline Frank  05:08 
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My-- like my granddaughter, the one I was showing you? She's got that little baby. Oh, she just 
worships that little baby.  
 
Winona Weber  05:16 
Yeah. As long as she's a good mother to it, that's all that's important. 
 
Angeline Frank  05:20 
Yeah, she's nursing it on her bed.  
 
Winona Weber  05:23 
Yeah. 
 
Angeline Frank  05:23 
She's afraid it might get sick if you give it the bottle, or something.  
 
Winona Weber  05:27 
Well, they're finding now that it's best for babies to be nursed. They're healthier. They grow up 
better when they-- when they're nursed. 
 
Angeline Frank  05:37 
[Crosstalk] baby. 
 
Winona Weber  05:39 
Yeah, and you can really see it. They're always real healthy babies when they're nursed.  
 
Angeline Frank  05:44 
[Inaudible] would look around, oh, he tried to look.  
 
Winona Weber  05:46 
Yeah, uh-huh. 
 
Angeline Frank  05:48 
Seemed like-- a lot of babies, you know, it seemed like they don't know nothing, did they?  
 
Winona Weber  05:54 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  05:54 
Now, he tried to look up, he's lookin' at us, what are you trying to look as hard as he could. 
 
Winona Weber  06:00 
Yeah, I know. They had a [crosstalk]. Hmm? 
 
Angeline Frank  06:06 
He knows his mama.  
 
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Winona Weber  06:08 
Oh, yeah. I think I saw his birth announcement in here, seems like. No, that isn't it.  But, if your-- 
you helped your sister, Catherine. Did you have someone like that helping you when you had 
your children? 
 
Angeline Frank  06:29 
She lived in Oakville, and we lived in Mud Bay. Then once she had her babies, I had to go up 
there and help her.  
 
Winona Weber  06:37 
You went and lived with her?  
 
Angeline Frank  06:38 
Well, I used to thought, "That was good, because I didn't have to go to school."  
 
Winona Weber  06:42 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  06:42 
Now, I'm sorry. 
 
Winona Weber  06:44 
Now you're sorry that you went. Yeah. But I'm sure she's glad that you were there. It's nice to 
have someone to give a hand. 
 
Angeline Frank  06:52 
Yeah. And wash, you know, wash with the board. 
 
Winona Weber  06:57 
Yep, washing by hand. Boy, that's a lot of work. 
 
Angeline Frank  07:00 
[Crosstalk] the wringer was handy thing.  
 
Winona Weber  07:03 
Yeah, it is. It's a really handy thing to have. When-- [?"Indian News"?]. 
 
Angeline Frank  07:15 
That's some of my grandchildren, too. 
 
Winona Weber  07:17 
Oh, I see. That's what I was wondering. It seems like the Franks were always in the newspaper, 
because of the fishing, you know? 
 
Angeline Frank  07:27 
Yeah. 
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Winona Weber  07:30 
Who is this?  
 
Angeline Frank  07:31 
That's Melvin, when he was a baby. Melvin Iyall, the one that just died not long ago. 
 
Winona Weber  07:36 
Melvin?  Melvin. Melvin Iyall. Huh. Didn't know-- I know Archie Iyall, and--  
 
Angeline Frank  07:48 
Well, that was his uncle. 
 
Winona Weber  07:49 
Oh, I see.  
 
Angeline Frank  07:50 
That was-- Archie was Melvin's uncle. 
 
Winona Weber  07:53 
Oh. Aw, gee, that's too bad. Yeah, I know Archie and I know Lillian. You know Lillian? She 
works up at the university. I see her every once in a while. I'm gonna go talk to her next week.  
When you're--? 
 
Angeline Frank  08:14 
She gave me a present, this one here. 
 
Winona Weber  08:17 
Uh-huh. Oh, that's pretty. When I first looked at that, I thought, "Oh, you got a basket." And then 
I looked at it closer; "it's not a basket." [Laughs]. 
 
Angeline Frank  08:27 
Yeah, she gave me both of them. [Crosstalk] that little one up there.  
 
Winona Weber  08:29 
Oh, they're pretty. It's like someone going hunting. That's cute.  Did you have anyone helping 
you take care of your family when your children were little? 
 
Angeline Frank  08:50 
No. 
 
Winona Weber  08:55 
Harold. That's cute.  
 
Angeline Frank  09:00 
Ernie Gleason.  
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Winona Weber  09:01 
Pardon? 
 
Angeline Frank  09:02 
Ernie Gleason, from Oakville.  
 
Winona Weber  09:05 
Oh, I see. Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  09:07 
Ernie Gleason; did you  know them Gleasons?  
 
Winona Weber  09:10 
No, I don't think so. No. No, I didn't.  
 
Angeline Frank  09:15 
He was married to... wasn't it Betty [inaudible]? 
 
Winona Weber  09:23 
Betty [inaudible]. Oh, gee.  
 
Angeline Frank  09:26 
No, I guess not. 
 
Winona Weber  09:28 
I don't-- the Gleason, it seems like I'd know-- I should know that name, but I don't recognize the 
name, no.  When-- were your babies born in a hospital, or were they born at home?  
 
Angeline Frank  09:49 
At home, because my mother was kind of a midwife.  
 
Winona Weber  09:55 
Midwife? Yeah. A lot of women were midwives. I don't think they had much choice, you know? 
They-- 
 
Angeline Frank  10:06 
Well, she had to stay right there till everything's over with, no more danger.  
 
Winona Weber  10:10 
Yeah? 
 
Angeline Frank  10:12 
And then she'd leave.  
 
Winona Weber  10:14 
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Oh, I see. I'm just trying to think of what... Was your father away from home a lot when you 
were little, or was he able to stay at home? 
 
Angeline Frank  10:30 
Yeah, he was home most of the time, but they worked a long time, back and forth.  
 
Winona Weber  10:34 
Yeah, because a lot of times, when they worked in the logging camp, you know, they'd have to 
go out and they'd have to stay out there during the week. 
 
Angeline Frank  10:42 
Yes. Well, when he-- he worked on a donkey, you know, pulled a whistle.  
 
Winona Weber  10:50 
Oh, I see. 
 
Angeline Frank  10:51 
[?Signal?], whatever you call it. 
 
Winona Weber  10:51 
Yeah, steam donkey? Yeah. That's what he did, huh? Right there at Mud Bay. I'm just looking at 
all your pictures. Got a lot of pictures. They're nice, too.  
 
Angeline Frank  11:07 
Yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  11:09 
New pictures, old pictures. Indian [?here?] [?I don't know?]. Looks like he's part of a fire 
department.  When you were a little girl, what kind of chores did you have around the house 
when you were little? What-- did you have certain things that you had to have done? 
 
Angeline Frank  11:40 
Oh, everything. You have to wash the dishes.  
 
Winona Weber  11:43 
Oh, yeah. 
 
Angeline Frank  11:44 
And have to do good.  
 
Winona Weber  11:46 
Oh, yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  11:46 
Oh, boy, we'd had to do 'em over again if we didn't do the right thing, and get pulled by the ear. 
"You know better than that." See, we'd be in a hurry to go and play.  
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Winona Weber  12:00 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  12:01 
And, see, the dishes not good enough. Maybe we never rinsed it. [Laughs]. 
 
Winona Weber  12:09 
Oh, yeah. I can imagine--  
 
Angeline Frank  12:10 
And boy, Mama, she's want us to do the right thing. 
 
Winona Weber  12:16 
Was your mother the disciplinarian in your family, was she the-- 
 
Angeline Frank  12:19 
The what?  
 
Winona Weber  12:20 
Was your mother the one that gave you all the discipline in your family?  
 
Angeline Frank  12:27 
Yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  12:29 
How was your father? Was your father easygoing, or was he strict? 
 
Angeline Frank  12:34 
Well, we had to mind.  
 
Winona Weber  12:36 
Oh, yeah. 
 
Angeline Frank  12:36 
We had to mind. They had cattle, you know, and they had to--  
 
Winona Weber  12:41 
Oh, really?  
 
Angeline Frank  12:42 
--milk a lot of cows.  
 
Winona Weber  12:44 
Uh-huh. 
 
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Angeline Frank  12:44 
They were in the dairy business.  
 
Winona Weber  12:49 
Oh, I see. How did how did they milk the cows? Did they make them by hand, or did they--? 
 
Angeline Frank  12:55 
Yeah. 
 
Winona Weber  12:56 
Oh, boy. Did you have to do that when you were growing up? Did you have to help milk the 
cows? 
 
Angeline Frank  13:03 
Uh-huh. Yeah. 
 
Winona Weber  13:04 
Oh, man. That's hard work. I've done that before. 
 
Angeline Frank  13:08 
Yeah, and then we have to-- then you can't do anything just halfway. You've got to do your work 
right.  
 
Winona Weber  13:17 
Oh, yeah. You can't be-- halfway's not gonna get it for most people. Some of these pictures are 
kind of funny.  
 
Angeline Frank  13:34 
Get your ears pulled and everything. 
 
Winona Weber  13:38 
How old were you when you had your ear pierced-- your ears pierced? Were you an adult? 
 
Angeline Frank  13:43 
Oh, that was-- oh, I don't remember, now, how old I was, anyhow. 
 
Winona Weber  13:51 
You were grown up? Were you grown up, or did you have it done as a little girl?  
 
Angeline Frank  13:55 
No, I guess I must have been about like [inaudible], I guess, my grandson. And [laughs] I 
[inaudible] that needle, oh, boy. 
 
Winona Weber  14:12 
[Laughs] That's why I haven't had mine pierced. I don't like the idea of that needle [laughs]. 
 
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Angeline Frank  14:17 
You've never had your ears pierced? 
 
Winona Weber  14:19 
Mm-mm. My ears aren't pierced.  Aww, nice pictures of grandkids. [Laughs]. When your-- 
 
Angeline Frank  14:38 
Yeah, that's-- 
 
Winona Weber  14:44 
Which-- [?č’ikbid?]? [?č’ikbid?]? I can't even pronounce it. 
 
Angeline Frank  14:53 
[?č’ikbid?].  
 
Winona Weber  14:53 
[?č’ikbid?]. I couldn't say it. 
 
Angeline Frank  15:01 
That's my grandson--  
 
Winona Weber  15:03 
Yeah. 
 
Angeline Frank  15:03 
--my grandson's little boy.  
 
Winona Weber  15:05 
Oh. That's a nice baby.  
 
Angeline Frank  15:09 
That's a Indian name, [?č’ikbid?]. His grandfather was [?č’ikbid?]. 
 
Winona Weber  15:15 
Did you ever-- did you have an Indian name when you were small? 
 
Angeline Frank  15:18 
Huh?  
 
Winona Weber  15:19 
Did you have an Indian name when you were small? Did your mother or father give you an 
Indian name? 
 
Angeline Frank  15:24 
Yeah. 
 
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Winona Weber  15:25 
Oh, really? What was it? 
 
Angeline Frank  15:26 
[?Yeɫəbolts’a?]. 
 
Winona Weber  15:27 
[?Yeɫəbolts’a?]. 
 
Angeline Frank  15:30 
Yeah. 
 
Winona Weber  15:32 
Was it just a name, or did it mean something? 
 
Angeline Frank  15:42 
Just a name, uh-huh. This little boy's mother's a white woman. 
 
Winona Weber  15:46 
Oh, I see. Yeah. My-- 
 
Angeline Frank  15:53 
She brought this little boy, one day, and she says-- she-- his nickname was Babe.  
 
Winona Weber  16:02 
Oh, yeah? 
 
Angeline Frank  16:04 
And she says, "Well, I'll come to bring baby to his dad, Babe." I says, "Oh, he went clam 
diggin'." but he was in jail. 
 
Winona Weber  16:14 
Oh [laughing].  
 
Angeline Frank  16:16 
I said, "He went clam diggin', and I don't know when he'll be back." But all this time, he was in 
jail. Got drunk and was in jail. And his son come to see him; he was in jail. And I said, "He went 
clam diggin'." [Inaudible] tell her he was in jail. 
 
Winona Weber  16:37 
Are they separated, the parents, the m--? 
 
Angeline Frank  16:40 
Uh-huh. She wanted to see [inaudible] she's a white woman.  Uh-huh.  And she wanted him to go 
over there, and he wouldn't go.  
 
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Winona Weber  16:48 
Oh, I see. 
 
Angeline Frank  16:49 
And the baby was little, so she took the baby with her. 
 
Winona Weber  16:56 
Yeah. You're-- you're-- 
 
Angeline Frank  17:04 
He helps [?along?] with the baby.  
 
Winona Weber  17:08 
Yeah. Yeah, my little brother has a baby girl, and she comes and stays with him, you know? My 
mom says that when [?Talia?] isn't there, Jamie just sits around, and he just has nothing to do, 
you know? He just doesn't know what to do with himself. But boy, when T is there, he's always 
got something to do.  You have to rush about and do everything. Taking her for a walk, or taking 
her for a ride on the bike, or something, you know? And he always has something to do. But he 
can't find anything to do when she isn't there. He's really-- he's funny. 
 
Angeline Frank  17:31 
Yeah. [Laughs]. The kids used to like to a go down to play in the river down there.  
 
Winona Weber  17:55 
Uh-huh.  
 
Angeline Frank  17:56 
Then that little Mexican drowned. They caught him up the bridge here, that bridge?  
 
Winona Weber  18:01 
Oh, yeah. 
 
Angeline Frank  18:04 
I guess they couldn't bring him back. Was too far, I think. They tried to pump him and 
everything, but no.  Nothing. Aww, that's too bad, gosh.  And that's what scares these kids, now. 
I got-- mentioned that, "You guys be careful now; see what happened to that boy that drowned 
over here. They've got to be careful." 
 
Winona Weber  18:29 
That's right. Boy, they can really get hurt. I used to swim all the time in the Humptulips River 
when I was a little girl.  When-- was your mother fairly strict with you? Did she like to keep real 
close tabs on where you and your brothers--?  
 
Angeline Frank  18:49 
Yeah, all of us. She just-- we can't go out by ourselves. You know, that was the wagon and a 
horse days.  
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Winona Weber  19:01 
Uh-huh.  
 
Angeline Frank  19:02 
We're all riding on the back at the wagon.  
 
Winona Weber  19:05 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  19:07 
We thought that was a lot of fun. Yeah [laughs].  
 
Winona Weber  19:08 
Yeah, it sounds like fun [laughs].  Did you-- do you think that you were-- do you think you were 
about as strict with your children as your mother was with you, or do you think maybe you were 
a little more lenient, or a little stricter? 
 
Angeline Frank  19:22 
Well, yeah, you've got to. You've got to tell 'em what's right and what's wrong. Even right now, 
today, as big as they are. And there was that little Mexican drowned down here.  
 
Winona Weber  19:34 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  19:36 
They couldn't bring him back. He was too far, I guess.  And they had him across there with their 
doctors. And they had him-- soon as they got him out, and they tried to pump that-- pump him 
out, I think, they couldn't bring him back. And I always think, "He might have got hurt!" I don't 
know what makes me think, but he might have got a-- you know, a lot of snags under there, 
under the water. 
 
Winona Weber  19:39 
Yeah. Mm-hmm, he might have gotten hit, or something. Some kind of injury. 
 
Angeline Frank  20:08 
And I always think, "Maybe he got hurt, or something."  
 
Winona Weber  20:10 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  20:11 
They couldn't bring him back. Tried to pump that water out of him.  
 
Winona Weber  20:16 
Uh-huh. Gee.  
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Angeline Frank  20:20 
Gone. 
 
Winona Weber  20:22 
Yeah, he could have had some kind of injury. 
 
Angeline Frank  20:25 
The mother and his [?relation?] just are crying, loud.  
 
Winona Weber  20:28 
Oh yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  20:29 
They had them on the other side of the river, and we was on this side, standing out there waiting 
for them to bring him back. [Inaudible] listen to them. And they were crying over there on that 
side, and we was crying on this side, because we could hear them crying. 
 
Winona Weber  20:47 
Yeah. 
 
Angeline Frank  20:48 
[Inaudible]. 
 
Winona Weber  20:50 
Uh-huh. That's really sad when a little [inaudible] gets killed.  When-- oh. Your grandmother and 
your grandfather, they always lived real close there, and I got the feeling, you know, you spent a 
lot of time with them--  
 
Angeline Frank  21:14 
Yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  21:15 
--and your own family. Did you stay with them very much? You know, overnight, or...? 
 
Angeline Frank  21:22 
No, no. My husband was a logger, you know; we stayed in camp. But we come home to Mama's 
on the weekend. And my husband's mother used to come down, and we'd all stay together down 
to Mama's. Oh, see, Mama had a great big house.  
 
Winona Weber  21:42 
Uh-huh.  
 
Angeline Frank  21:43 
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Oh, they'd talk; they'd talk all night, seems like. We'd wake up-- us kids, you know, we'd have a 
bed, all beds on the floor. We'd wake up-- I'd wake up, "They're still talking, yet." Oh, Indians, 
you know, they talk. Lots to talk about, I guess; I don't know. 
 
Winona Weber  22:04 
Well, they were separated for quite a while, and they have a lot of catching up to do, I suppose. 
You said you followed your husband to the logging camp?  
 
Angeline Frank  22:16 
Yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  22:18 
Oh, I see. 
 
Angeline Frank  22:19 
And we had a house up there, you know, at that logging camp. And he worked from there every 
morning, and take his lunch, and come back. 
 
Winona Weber  22:31 
He-- where were you and your husband married? Where was you and Steve--?  
 
Angeline Frank  22:37 
Right, in Olympia. 
 
Winona Weber  22:38 
In Olympia. Was that where all your husbands were-- you married them?  
 
Angeline Frank  22:42 
Uh-huh. Yeah. 
 
Winona Weber  22:43 
Well, that's the most handy, I guess. I don't know. 
 
Angeline Frank  22:52 
Well, I'm gonna show you what my granddaughter brought me the other day.  
 
Winona Weber  22:55 
Okay.  [Tape noises] Finish off the tape. Would-- 
 
Angeline Frank  23:01 
We all talk the same language, though, Puyallups, and Nisquallys. But the Tulalips, they have a 
little bit different.  
 
Winona Weber  23:11 
Yeah. Most of the Indians-- 
 
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Angeline Frank  23:15 
Oakvilles, they have their own language.  
 
Winona Weber  23:17 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  23:18 
The Yakimas, they have their own language. We can't understand them.  
 
Winona Weber  23:24 
Yeah, the Yakimas are a lot different than the-- you know, the Indians over here. Do you talk to 
other people in your language? Do you have a chance to, now, very often? 
 
Angeline Frank  23:39 
Well, we don't talk. That's where we're making a mistake. We should talk to our kids, the one 
[inaudible] now. Talk Indian to 'em. 
 
Winona Weber  23:48 
Don't-- they don't get talked enough. That's one of the reasons why the language, you know, why 
no one knows it.  
 
Angeline Frank  23:57 
Yeah.  
 
Winona Weber  23:58 
Rather, of my generation, they don't know it. 
 
Angeline Frank  24:00 
[Inaudible] now, the Swedes, they talk their language among themselves, you know?  
 
Winona Weber  24:08 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  24:09 
And the Germans. 
 
Winona Weber  24:13 
The Vietnamese. 
 
Angeline Frank  24:13 
They all talk their own language. 
 
Winona Weber  24:16 
Yeah. And their children learn it, quite often.  Wow, that's a lot of kids. Must be grandchildren. 
These pictures I was looking at of these women on the horses, when were these-- when were 
those taken? In Yakima, I think you you told me. I can't find it now. I was just looking at it. 
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Angeline Frank  24:58 
That's one of my nephews, that one you've got.  
 
Winona Weber  25:01 
This one? 
 
Angeline Frank  25:02 
Uh-huh. [?Don?]. [?Don?] [?Tobin?]. 
 
Winona Weber  25:03 
Who's that?  Oh, I see. Yeah. Hmm. Was his mother a white woman? Oh. Gee, I never... But you 
married all Indian men, didn't you?  
 
Angeline Frank  25:21 
Uh-huh. 
 
Winona Weber  25:24 
My brothers are all married to Indian women, and I married a white man. I'm married to a white 
man, now. We're both students at the university. I got a little blonde daughter. Just blonde as 
blonde can be, with brown eyes.  
 
Angeline Frank  25:40 
I got one little grandson; his hair is just white.  
 
Winona Weber  25:46 
Yeah, my... This must all be Yakima Indians. When-- oh, I found your marriage certificate in 
there. You married Bill Frank in 1930. What did he do?  
 
Angeline Frank  26:08 
Huh? 
 
Winona Weber  26:09 
What did he do when you first married him? What? What did Bill Frank do when you first 
married him? Was he a logger, or was he a fisherman? Uh-huh.  
 
Angeline Frank  26:17 
Well, a fisherman.  He liked to fish in the river.  
 
Winona Weber  26:21 
Yeah. When-- okay, during the 60s, they had the fish-ins here, you know, at Frank's Landing, 
here. 
 
Angeline Frank  26:29 
Uh-huh, yeah.  
 
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Winona Weber  26:30 
When did the state stop-- first stop them from fishing? 
 
Angeline Frank  26:34 
I don't remember, now, what year that was. But anyhow, they had a real fight out there.  
 
Winona Weber  26:40 
Yeah. 
 
Angeline Frank  26:40 
Right out here.  
 
Winona Weber  26:41 
That's right.  
 
Angeline Frank  26:42 
Were you with them?  
 
Winona Weber  26:43 
No. I remember seeing it on the news, you know. But was it during the-- were you married to 
Bill when they-- when the state told the Indians that they couldn't fish out here anymore, the first 
time? 
 
Angeline Frank  26:57 
Well, [?Iyall?] [inaudible] now. 
 
Winona Weber  27:02 
I mean, that he-- you s--  
 
Angeline Frank  27:05 
And oh, boy, they had to fight to-- they were stopping the Indians from fishing. And this is 
Indian land.  
 
Winona Weber  27:15 
That's right.  
 
Angeline Frank  27:16 
And my granddaughter, [?sister?] [inaudible], she hit a-- one white man with a board. She didn't 
know it had a nail in it.  
 
Winona Weber  27:30 
Oh, boy.  
 
Angeline Frank  27:32 
She says, "You get out of the [inaudible]. Get out, this is our Indian land."  
 
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Winona Weber  27:37 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  27:38 
Not yours [laughs]. 
 
Winona Weber  27:42 
Got him with that nail, didn't she, boy! 
 
Angeline Frank  27:44 
They took him to the doctor.  
 
Winona Weber  27:47 
Uh-huh.  
 
Angeline Frank  27:49 
But they never did anything to her. They asked was you cussing them? And he says, "I don't 
know whether I did or not. Maybe I didn't." He says-- he'd say he didn't, but he did. He was 
fighting with them.  
 
Winona Weber  28:07 
Yeah. What-- the white man, was that the-- was that one of the state fishery's men?  
 
Angeline Frank  28:14 
No, just one of the men. And then the fishery, they had a fight, too, with them. 
 
Winona Weber  28:19 
Yeah, I remember those fights. They, well-- they led to the Boldt Decision, that-- where the state 
had to recognize their fishing rights. I don't know, boy. Did your children-- were your children, 
any of your sons, arrested in that fishing controversy? 
 
Angeline Frank  28:19 
Yeah. Billy. Uh-huh.  
 
Winona Weber  28:43 
Boy, that's a lot of-- that was a real mix up. Glad they finally got that straightened around. Wow. 
 
Angeline Frank  28:52 
Yeah. Well, they takin' that Squaxin Island away from the Indians, too.  
 
Winona Weber  29:01 
Yeah.  
 
Angeline Frank  29:02 
Because they're going to make a park out of it. And some of them Indians signed they could have 
it. And some of them didn't want them to have it, because that's where they get clams, you know, 
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big clams. Now they can't get... See, well they-- most of them sign that they could have that. I 
don't know what they want to do that for. Got paid, I guess.  
 
Winona Weber  29:31 
[Inaudible]. 
 
Angeline Frank  29:31 
Yeah, that's what they said. They must have got paid to do that. [?See, they're?] no good, 
anyhow. So, then they've got that island now.  
 
Winona Weber  29:41 
Yeah, Squaxin.  
 
Angeline Frank  29:43 
And my nephew-- my granddaughter's husband said, "They ain't got it yet!" I was talking about it 
the other day, and he says, "No, they haven't got it yet. So far."  
 
Winona Weber  29:57 
I don't know. I hadn't-- I knew that there was a controversy, but I didn't know. 
 
Angeline Frank  30:04 
See, that's where the Indians-- that's where they get their clams.  
 
Winona Weber  30:07 
Yeah. 
 
Angeline Frank  30:07 
Right there at the island.  There's a little cove there, kind of a cove, where the-- when the tide 
goes out and I'd play with the water. Oh, about that [crosstalk]. It leaves a lot of flounder, 
flounder in there? 
 
Winona Weber  30:28 
Oh. I bet that's a good place to fish. 
 
Angeline Frank  30:30 
And oh, boy that's good. Flounder. And they catch a flounder and they catch some other kind of 
fish they used to catch, there. 
 
Winona Weber  30:48 
[Inaudible] my nose itches.  
 
Angeline Frank  30:51 
Oh, they had a lot of fun, there. 
 
Winona Weber  30:52 
Yeah. Did you go there? Did you ever go there as a child?  
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Angeline Frank  30:57 
Yeah, we used to go there, uh-huh.  
 
Winona Weber  30:58 
And-- 
 
Angeline Frank  31:00 
Mama and Pop-- 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 